Are there Backers in Blackjack tournaments?

Discussion in 'Blackjack Events (USA)' started by Duy Tran, Aug 14, 2010.

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  1. Duy Tran

    Duy Tran New Member

    My name is Duy Tran

    I have found the most effective way to win at blackjack tournaments constantly.

    My Resume:

    July 27th Gold strike nightly tournament 35k Guarantee- 5th place for $1,000
    -Note,
    I blew all my the rounds out of the water except the Final Table, I got really unlucky.

    August 8th Gold Strike 50k Guarantee- Put out of 2nd Rd by 500 chips.
    -Note
    I got put out because of my ignorance. I thought I had out chip the second place in chips. He double down Hard 14 and pick up a 5 because he had to. I had Blackjack and kept hitting til I bust, I figure it was funny.

    I would like to play big tournament and travel from casino. I am very committed and has new attitude towards the game.

    The reason I am asking for a backer because I'm a poker player converting to Blackjack tournament player. Poker is a grind and I have ran bad online for the past 6 months which I have blew my Bankroll.

    I have an huge edge in blackjack tournament, giving the opportunity for one person to make money with me. I also notice theres a lot more money in blackjack then poker.
     
  2. LeftNut

    LeftNut Top Member

    Good luck.............

    Glad to see that you've done what you have, but there's resumes in the BJT world that totally smoke yours. You need to make much bigger noise in much bigger events than those to catch anyone's attention. I'd suggest you look locally for friends/acquaintances who might be willing to take a chance.

    BTW, wanna compare resumes? :p
     
  3. Duy Tran

    Duy Tran New Member

    I'm a poker player that plays table games. I just happen to get those tourneys comped. I found a way to beat it. I have a huge edge in this game. Trust me, my resume will be better then yours. Just wait and see.
     
  4. Duy Tran

    Duy Tran New Member

    Also that is why I'm giving a opportunity for one person to make money. Once I win 1 or 2 big one. There is no need for backers anymore.
     
  5. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    What happened to your $1000 prize money from the Gold Strike? Surely that's enough to begin your takeover of the tournament world. :D
     
  6. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    You don't need a backer. You won $1,000 at the Gold Strike so just parlay that money. The Las Vegas Hilton has a $100,000 BJT in September, 2010 with first place paying $50,000 - all cash. Here's the link to the calender listing:


    Simply arrive a day before tournament registration to qualify with a suited blackjack with a $10 bet and you are on your way. Rooms will only cost $55 per night. Add round trip air fare from Memphis of maybe $400 (that's just a guess) for a total cost of about $600 plus food. You can eat cheap at the deli for maybe $25 - $30 for the day (I've seen some eat for less). So the entire trip will cost about $750. Save a few bucks more by driving instead of flying for a trip cost under $500.

    That's a pretty cheap price to pay for a win of $50,000. That $50,000 will easily fund your ventures into the Blackjack Tournament World. No more 9 to 5. NO BACKERS NEEDED. Keep all the money to yourself. :D

    PS: Almost forgot. When you make the final table, it's an automatic invitation to play in the Grand Finale Tournament in December - rooms comped. So you can easily turn that $1,000 into over $100,000 in the next 4 months - that's a 10,000% return on your money in only 4 months. And no backers to pay part of that prize money.
     
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  7. noman

    noman Top Member

    Here's another idea.Duy Tran.

    A long time poster, knowledgeable AP and edge maker had an idea sometime ago to secure a sports agent. 10 or 20 phone calls ought to do the trick. Or get a sponsor if you will. Wear their hat, pose for their product, let them pay for your entries and other expenses. Never be your own man again.
     
  8. rookie789

    rookie789 Active Member

    Toolman,

    You've never shared that knowledge with me as long as I've known you. Shame on you!! I'm quitting my job and hitting the BJ tournament circuit for fame and fortune with my $1,000. Thanks.

    Duy Tran, after much thought I may have figured out your secret. Make big bets 1st three hands, dealer usually busts 1st three hands in tournaments.
     
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  9. noman

    noman Top Member

    Wait a minute...or longer...

    Rookie. You don't have a job! You raise three legged goats. And u win gabazillions in blackjack tourneys.
     
  10. Duy Tran

    Duy Tran New Member

    The 1k I made in the tournament. Sad to said that it went back to the casino. I have a problem with casino games. I always do this with poker. I would take all my poker winnings and dump it on table games.

    I also see Blackjack tournaments that there are least of a grind like poker and also a lot more money in blackjack.
     
  11. Billy C

    Billy C Top Member

    You blew it?

    I was ready to back you until I read this post. You need to get smarter. Talk to me in 5 years.

    Billy C
     
  12. Duy Tran

    Duy Tran New Member

    ha. Thanks Billy C.

    In poker, my backers in poker always travel with me. Therefore, I wouldn't do stupid things. like casino games. I am that confident in Blackjack tournament, I will redefined the way blackjack tournaments will be played. Watch. The players that were in Tunica for those 2 tournament that saw me played had a little sneak peek.

    I'm trying to give someone an opportunity now while my bankroll is low, you think I need a backer when I have money?
     
  13. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    Seems to me that you should have your poker backers also back you in Blackjack Tournaments. They know you better. Getting a stranger to back you when you have no track record in Blackjack Tournaments is not easy - it's almost impossible. On the other hand, your poker backers know your capabilities so they would be your best source of money.
     
  14. Billy C

    Billy C Top Member

    Dreamer

    You cannot have that kind of confidence in tourneys that are 70% luck and 30% skill. You can be highly skilled but the luck factor is so huge that it makes what you're saying nothing but a dream.
    Those percentages are just guesstimates on my part but I think most veteran tourney players would conclude in the same vicinity.
    Actually, that's a good question. What percentages do others feel are realistic? Different formats would affect them but what do the rest of you think would be an average for these percentage figures?


    Billy C
     
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  15. London Colin

    London Colin Top Member

    Skill and luck are not quantities that you expect to add up to 100%.

    The role of luck will vary a little, depending on the tournament rules/format, and so will the potential edge of a skilled player. But I think it's entirely possible for both to rise in one tournament compared to another.

    As for the OP, .... words fail me.
     
  16. hopinglarry

    hopinglarry Top Member

    Skill versus Luck

    Actually, I believe at some time in the past the board has debated this issue. I don't remember when. I doubt there will ever be a consensus.

    My guess would be that in tournaments with a low max bet compared to bankroll and where 2 or 3 people advance from a table, then skill might be as much as 20%.

    If the max is high or only the table winner advances then I believe that luck is at least 90% of the result. I believe this is especially true for the "nomax" or 2-1 BJ tournaments.

    Luck is not necessarily the last few hands. It can be much earlier. Your opponents can win or lose their big bets. You can win or lose your big bets. If they win the big bets and you are playing conservative, then you may be so far behind that you have no realistic chance of catching up.

    The luck can be that the right person(s) drop out and you get to play last behind the contenders on the last few hands.

    Larry
     
  17. Duy Tran

    Duy Tran New Member

    My poker backer doesn't and won't listen. He doesn't understand there is money in this thing. I have tried to explain the tournament style but he doesn't understand and keep thinking its a luck factor game.

    You guys are right, blackjack tournament is just like poker, I believe you can control your density more then you do in poker.

    For example, the nightly 35k I got 6th in.

    1st rd. I out chipped 2nd in with 40k.
    2nd rd. 2nd in chip by 80k(Shoe was hot)
    Semi- I was a little caution, won by 20k
    Final- I couldn't get anything going. I don't know if I was nervous or just didn't played my game.

    I believed blackjack has a little luck factor, if you play my way...you can control your faith and not let the cards do it for. I wish you were there to see me played.
     
  18. Duy Tran

    Duy Tran New Member

    I know this hard for you guys to just have someone new just coming in asking for a backer. I believe in my game and I'm trying to give someone a chance to make money. Sometime you just have to believe in the person.

    I really need a couple of buyin for a few tourneys. I'm pretty positive I will win one. Once I win a big one and someone scout my game. I really want to hit all of the big tournaments before my game gets leaked out and every one is start doing it.

    I'm working on a way to counter my game just in case I run into it. I just wish they some small buyin around Tenn that I could go to.

    If yall don't believe me, just give me time to build my bankroll and you'll see that you will miss out on a great opportunity because yet again....you didn't listen and didn't want to believe an opportunity came your way.
     
  19. Billy C

    Billy C Top Member

    What else would be added in to make 100%------things like dealer mistakes would come under luck (good OR bad) wouldn't they? As would wild card draws. Cheating by opponents (palming chips, etc.) is a possibility, I guess.
    I think Larry is right about this being discussed in another thread.
    It's just inconceivable that anyone thinks they can guarantee success in any tournaments.
    It CAN'T be done without blatant cheating!

    Billy C
     
  20. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    Duy Tran,

    You need to prove all these nay sayers wrong. There is a Blackjack Tournament coming up this weekend at Sam's Town in Tunica. It's a $24,000 (or more) tournament with first place paying $12,000 (at least). Click on this link to get further details from the calender listing:


    It's only a $150 entry fee. Surely you can make that in poker. I would wish you luck but you will not need it.

    With that win under your belt, you can go to the Las Vegas Hilton as I mentioned in a previous post. Maybe then you'll get the recognition you are striving to get.

    VERY IMPORTANT:
    Whatever tournament you decide to enter in the future, YOU MUST announce your intention to play BEFORE the event starts. This way people will not think you are only telling them about your wins and keeping the rest secret.
     
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