Revisions to Wong's page 131

Discussion in 'Blackjack Tournament Strategy' started by KenSmith, Oct 14, 2006.

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  1. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    A recent thread started by rounder21 mentioned this table in Wong's Casino Tournament Strategy, and I noted there that my research disagrees with Wong on many entries in that table.

    As my contribution today to the new kinder, gentler, more useful BJT, here is a table of the values I calculated using infinite deck H17.

    Here's the situation:
    BR2 has $100, and goes all-in.
    BR1 has $110, and matches the $100 bet.

    The cards are dealt, and BR2 has completed his action. All BR1 must do is have exactly the same or better outcome as BR2. Win/win, push/push, or lose/lose.

    Here are the totals to which BR1 should hit, based on the dealer upcard and BR2's hand total.

    Rather than fight with table formatting, I've just included the information as an image instead.

    Let's say BR2 stood with 19 (soft or hard, doesn't matter), and the dealer has a ten up.
    You have a soft 17. What should you do?

    The soft totals table for this situation shows that you should hit to a soft 19 or better.

    Let's say you hit once, and draw an Ace for soft 18. You should hit again. Let's say you now draw a 7 for a hard 15. (A,6,A,7). What now?

    Now the hard totals table applies. Look up BR2=19,Dlr=T, and you'll see that you should hit to a hard total of 14 or higher. Since you have hard 15, you should stand.
     

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    Last edited: Oct 14, 2006
    KenSmith, Oct 14, 2006
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  2. Prospect

    Prospect Member

    Any chance that you can make this table available for us to download?
     
    Prospect, Oct 14, 2006
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  3. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    Printing a post

    You can print just one post from any thread by left clicking on the number of the post in the upper right hand corner (in this case "#1"). Then the post will appear in a window overlaying the original post. Now use your toolbar at the top to print or save as you desire. When done, left click on the "x" in the upper right corner of the overlaid window and you will be returned to the original post.
     
    toolman1, Oct 14, 2006
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  4. rounder21

    rounder21 New Member

    Thanks Ken for the tables...

    Rounder21
     
    rounder21, Oct 14, 2006
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  5. Prospect

    Prospect Member

    Well, I am trying to get the tables. But, since the tables are in image format, I could not quite convert them to text or some other editable format.
     
    Prospect, Oct 14, 2006
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  6. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    How's this:
    Code:
        Same Outcome:                                            
    Stop at these hard totals:            Stop at these soft totals:                
    when Player 1 has                
Dealer  17    18    19    20    21        Dealer    17    18    19    20    21
A        12    14    16    17    17          A        17    18    19    19    19
2        12    12    12    13    13          2        17    18    19    19    19
3        12    12    12    12    12          3        17    18    19    19    19
4        12    12    12    12    12          4        17    18    19    19    19
5        12    12    12    12    12          5        17    18    19    19    19
6        12    12    12    12    12          6        17    18    18    19    19
7        16    16    17    17    17          7        17    18    18    18    18
8        12    16    17    17    17          8        17    18    19    19    19
9        12    13    17    16    16          9        17    18    19    19    19
T        12    13    14    16    15          T        17    18    19    19    19
     
    KenSmith, Oct 14, 2006
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  7. Prospect

    Prospect Member

    Perfect! I was able to copy the table onto Excel and separate the data into the various columns.
     
    Prospect, Oct 14, 2006
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  8. tgun

    tgun Member

    tables

    Thanks Ken.


    tgun
     
    tgun, Oct 15, 2006
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  9. Monkeysystem

    Monkeysystem Top Member Staff Member

    Eleven or Less

    Thanks for the table, Ken.

    Can I assume that Wong's numbers for when your opponent has yet to play and has eleven or less are correct?
     
    Monkeysystem, Oct 15, 2006
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  10. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    I wouldn't!
    But I haven't calculated those myself yet.
     
    KenSmith, Oct 15, 2006
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  11. Reachy

    Reachy New Member

    Cheers!

    Thanks Ken for sharing some more of your knowledge with us and decreasing your edge ;)

    Does the table change much for S17?

    Cheers

    Reachy

    Ps. Have I said how much I'm looking forward to your book?

    PPs. When it does come out may I remind you that I'd like mine signed and swabbed with some of your sweat! Anything to give me a little more edge...
     
    Reachy, Oct 15, 2006
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  12. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    Autographed book

    I simply want to know if I can get a autographed copy of the first printing. I'd be willing to pay a premium for this, within reason of course. Wada'ya say Ken? :)
     
    toolman1, Oct 16, 2006
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  13. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    Absolutely. There will definitely be autographed copies available here. Man, I gotta get back to work. :D
     
    KenSmith, Oct 16, 2006
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  14. masonuc

    masonuc New Member

    I would also be interested in seeing this table where dealer stays on Soft 17. Could that be the difference with Wong's version?
     
    masonuc, Apr 30, 2008
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  15. BlueLight

    BlueLight Active Member

    Dealer Stands on all 17's

    Below are the Hard standing and Soft standing totals for BR1 when the dealer stands on soft 17

    Hard Standing Totals for BR1

    ..............<------------Dealer Up Card------------------>
    BR2.........2.....3.....4......5......6.....7......8.....9......T.....A

    21.........13....12....12....12....12....17....17....16....15....18
    20.........13....12....12....12....12....17....17....16....16....18
    19.........12....12....12....12....12....17....17....17....14....18
    18.........12....12....12....12....12....16....16....13....13....18
    17.........12....12....12....12....12....16....12....12....12....14


    Soft Standing Totals for BR1

    ..............<------------Dealer Up Card------------------>
    BR2.........2.....3.....4......5......6.....7......8.....9......T.....A

    21.........19....19....19....19....18....18....19....19....19....19
    20.........19....19....19....19....18....18....19....19....19....19
    19.........18....18....18....18....18....18....19....19....19....19
    18.........18....18....18....18....18....18....18....18....18....18
    17.........17....17....17....17....17....17....17....17....17....17



    ...................BlueLight
     
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    BlueLight, May 5, 2008
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  16. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks BlueLight!
     
    KenSmith, May 5, 2008
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  17. masonuc

    masonuc New Member

    Any changes for Double Deck, S17? Playing in a tourney this weekend...
     
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    masonuc, Jun 12, 2008
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  18. BlueLight

    BlueLight Active Member

    Double Deck

    It would be hard to figure changes for a 2 deck game without knowing the specific cards in BR2's hand and BR1's hand. The figures for the inifinite deck will be close enough for a tournament.


    .............................BlueLight
     
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    BlueLight, Jun 12, 2008
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  19. BughouseMaster

    BughouseMaster Active Member

    It would be helpful to know our % chance of SUCCESS as BR1 in this situation.
     
    BughouseMaster, Jan 30, 2020
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  20. BughouseMaster

    BughouseMaster Active Member

    No easy way to determine BR1's % chance of success in this situation?
     
    BughouseMaster, Feb 22, 2020
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