Las Vegas Advisor: "The Greatest Tournament Ever"

Discussion in 'News & Announcements' started by KenSmith, Aug 23, 2005.

  1. Joep

    Joep Active Member

    Put The Stick Back In

    Do you really want us to buy into this back off of yours.That you planned this whole thing out as part of your research for this so called article.I like you much better with the stick stuck up your butt.Then you at least attempted to stand your ground .This white flag waving is not becoming of you. So called tough guys dont wave white flags :laugh:
  2. The GameMaster

    The GameMaster New Member


    I cannot believe it, we actually agree on something.

    But (another pun) to answer your question, no, I'm not backing off. While all of my recent comments here did not start out as research for an article, it kind of ended up that way.

    When I brought up the whole chip-counting thing, I really wanted to find the answers to two questions. The first was, is chip-counting really a skill that one needs for Blackjack? Of course, the answer is no, but it is a skill needed for Blackjack tournaments as they now exist.

    The second question for which I was seeking an answer is, can BJ tournaments be set up in such a way as to encourage players to participate in far greater numbers than they do today? I think they can and hopefully I'll put forward some ideas on that in the up-coming article.

    An underlying third idea of this whole thing sort of came to a head when I started thinking about the "Blackjack World Champion" title. I couldn't resist bringing it up, because it's always been my nature to shake up the "establishment" whenever I could and this is no exception. The Blackjack tournament industry, as we know it, is dying...plain and simple.

    I would remind you that this whole conversation began over the comments made about the LV Hilton dropping the Million Dollar tourney. But, as one door closes, another one opens. I wrote about that a bit in an article that's posted on my site called "BJ Tournaments - A New Era?" (Sorry, Ken - shameless self-promotion).

    But it was the comments made about the World Champion stuff that solidified it all for me: the BJ tournament "industry" is divided into at least two houses, the Old Guard and the New Breed; perhaps others. The good thing about that is, readers here and those who play in BJ tournaments do not have to pick a side, but can play one off against the other to get the best deal for themselves and what's wrong with that?

    I, like you, want to see more BJ tournaments as do most of the readers here. It's just that it probably isn't going to happen without some changes. That's what I'll be writing about and - fair warning - the Old Guard isn't going to be thrilled with what I have to say. But (there's that "but" again), if everyone will approach all of this with an open mind, we might be able to achieve our goal.

  3. noman

    noman Top Member

    Greatest tournament ever.


    Positively my last comment on this. Who, what, is/ are the "new guard" in BJ tourney's. What have they run, for how much. Whose the "Lenin" and who are the proletariat?
  4. Joep

    Joep Active Member

    0 for 23

    23 post in 22 months of your membership and not one post that contains anything close to sharing information or responding to new players request on how to play a hand or make a bet in key situtions in a tournament.I have had my share of flaming post but I do make a point of sharing info and helping out all who ask.You have used your 23 post to grandstand and insult people and their accomplisments, threaten to beat me up.How sad is your behavior.The only thing that you are a master of is talking in circles why did you waste your money on that name for.You money would have been better spent with "Circle Talking Master "
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2005
  5. The GameMaster

    The GameMaster New Member

    Joe, you're right. It's obviously a waste of my time to be here.

    Since you obviously are not going to stop the personal attacks, I'm done.

    Life is too short to deal with pond scum.

  6. instagator

    instagator New Member

    The Next World Champion?

    Many of us are currently in LV to compete in the LVA dry run/practice tournament for the WBT. Now, can the winner claim to be the "LVA DRY RUN/PRACTICE WORLD CHAMPION?" To be sure this competition is fair, I think we need to know the dimensions of the stick (diameter, length, roughness, girth, etc) and all contestants should be supplied with similar sticks for insertion prior to the tournament. Anybody not smiling during the tournament will be considered a cheater. Good luck to all!

    P.S. Is vasaline or petroleum jelly legal in this tournament? GameMaster, you should have some insight on this.

  7. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    First Hollywood, then Kevin Blackwood, now GameMaster. Satisfied Joe?

    It's getting awfully quiet in here.
  8. Joep

    Joep Active Member

    Mr Bad Guy

    Actually 26 post in 4 days is anything but quiet.Since you want to make me the bad guy in all of this thats fine also.But just tell me where I crossed the line .I only responded to his trashing of Kenny E title.Comparing it to a "pro" wrestling title.Im not the one who promised to beat someone up.Im not the one that told him he needed to remove the stick from his butt.Nor am I the one who called someone pond scum.

    Im just the bad guy right? Was I incorrect in pointing out the context of all his 23 post ?.Now on top of that you want to suggest that I ran Hollywood off also.That could not be any further from the truth the post between Hollywood and I were equal from one side to another.Remember you were the one to tell Hollywood to cool it with his choice of vulgar words.You never needed to warn me about that.Actually the Hollywood /Joep saga was pretty entertaining and least thats what I was told by many.I have no problem with Hollywood or Kevin Blackwood so im not sure what your point is here.

    This could have and should have been done over the phone or via private message but since you chose to make your point public you left me no choice as to where I should respond.

    Rules should be for all, not for some.If there were points given for personal attacks I would be way behind.

    He says and I quote "It's always been my nature to shake up the "establishment whenever I could and this is no exception "

    The problem was that I was the one that feel out of the tree that he was shaking.We cant expect Kenny E to defend against his remarks so I did .To do anything less for a good friend and business partner would be out of character for me
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2005
  9. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    My attiitude is perhaps tainted from the private messages, emails and phone calls I've gotten over the last few months about these firestorms. I'll do this... I'll get an unbiased third party review of these threads and ask their opinion.

    It sucks being the sheriff.
  10. Sidekick

    Sidekick New Member

    Congrats to All

    Just want to say that today marked a big day for Blackjack Tourney Players. Being a rookie player, I'm thankful that I might have a chance to play on this new Tour.

    World Series Handle Champion 99,00,01,02,04
  11. Joep

    Joep Active Member

    Swog Is The Man

    Sidekick you were missed at the Greatest Tournament Ever held won by the way by one of our members SWOG.Congrats to Swog he opted for the cash or else he would have had to drive Rick home in his new sports car.Good choice by Swog can you imangine being locked up in a small spotrs car with Rick all the way back to Texas . :laugh:

    p.s. What happened to your championship title in 2003 ;)
  12. Sidekick

    Sidekick New Member

    That was the year I striked

    also had a steroid investigation
  13. TXtourplayer

    TXtourplayer Executive Member

    And The Winner Is

    Swog! One of the invited players for the dry-run event. After avoiding elimination on hand 8 in the second round, Swog went on a roll winning over the other 62 players.

    Not being one of the schedule contestant for the Oct. filming this win should put Swog if not in, at least at the top of the alternate list.
  14. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    Congrats Swog!

    Swog beat what was arguably the toughest tournament field ever assembled in taking first place. Nice going!
  15. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    What if SWOG "lost his chair"

    This post may not necessarily fit under this thread, but after reading about swog's brush with elimination, I feel compeled to bring something up.

    First, I too would like to congradulate swog on his win. I don't know swog but anytime a member of this "family" wins, I am happy for him/her.

    Now to the point of this post. Back in July, 2005 there was a discussion about experimating with a rule to eliminate the low man after some arbitrary number of hands. To locate this discussion:

    Blackjack Tournaments (Land Based Casinos)​
    Cancel another tournament​

    On July 29, 2005, I posted (post #70 of the above thread) my objection to this rule. Now fast forward to today. TXtourplayer pointed out that SWOG was almost eliminated at hand 8 of the second round. I do not know the betting limits but assuming they were reasonable (not all in at any time), SWOG was probably low man at the end of hand 7.

    Now assuming all of the above and a "low man out after hand 7" rule was instuted, SWOG would have "lost his chair", would not have won any money, and lost the possibility to be on TV to become "famous" and win more money. ​

    This I feel is an excellent example of why the "low man out" rule is bad, not just bad but very very bad. As I said before, don't count me out as long as I have a chip and a chair and NEVER TAKE AWAY MY CHAIR. :flame:

    If no one else agrees, I'm pretty sure SWOG does. Congrats again SWOG on a job well done. :D
  16. ptaylorcpa

    ptaylorcpa Member

    Losing his chair

    Toolman, I am not sure if we are at liberty to discuss the rules, but I will confirm that no one had a chair to lose in the first round, although some people did get swept off their feet. Puts a new meaning to "thinking on your feet"...LOL.

    It definately was a great experience and I think there will be some exciting TV with the new format.


    PS: Ken, hope you got home alright. Heard they closed the airport in New Orleans. Hope the Grand in Gulfport survives too for the tournament in a couple of weeks!
  17. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    It's the principal

    Don't know the rules. The purpose of my last post was to reinforce my objection to a "low man out" rule in any tournament. Whether or not this rule was in effect for this tournament doesn't matter. I was talking hypothetically using swog's situation, with my own assumptions, to try to drive my point home that a "low man out" rule can destroy a potential winner. Does it make for good TV? I don't know, we'll just have to see. But even if it does, its still wrong and not very sporting.
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2005
  18. ptaylorcpa

    ptaylorcpa Member

    It is different

    I can understand your objection, but it did make for a totally different experience. It really breaks down a 30 hand round into three or four rounds of 8 to 10 hands each and you don't want to be low or second low when those turns come up. Another big factor is position on those turn hands is just as critical as it is on the final hand. Acting and betting after the lowest bankroll is a big advantage!

    Playing and betting to not lose seemed a lot different than playing and betting to win.
  19. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    Saving judgement

    Thanks for your insight and opinion of the rule. My mind stays open on this subject. Looking foreward to seeing it play out on TV some day. Have a great day! :)
  20. instagator

    instagator New Member

    New World Champion ?

    The LVA Dry Run tournament was an impressive field of players and it introduced an exciting new format to tournament BJ.
    Just because of the talent level of the players entered we've got to crown Swog the "Dry Run World Blackjack Champion". I'm sure Kenny wouldn't mind sharing the crown.
    P.S. The food at the TPC was excellent. I had to go back for seconds on the prime rib.

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