WSOB IV: Episode 8

Hello to all my fellow players and good people. Do any of you know anything about any of these players tonight?


July 23
Marvin Ornstein, Dannye Long, Shannon Elizabeth, Angelo Merkouris, Henry Tran

I hope this episode is good this evening. Now, I do have one question for all of you. The next episode after this one is the Wild Card show. Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't this the episode where all of the runner-ups of the past eight shows(including tonight) have that opportunity to vie for a spot in the semi-finals? Please explain this. If i'm not mistaken, there are only eight seats anyway right? Please explain. How is everyone doing? Haven't seen too much activity this past weekend. Maybe everyone is enjoying their big winnings. LOL.....Thank you and have a wonderful week you all.

 

Wsob 8

Verrrrrrry Interesting:

Homever. Dat Txt deal overlay keeps getting in the way of bet amounts and cards, so that you have to rely on the sometimes misguided words of the announcer.

Now, I'm sure the txting generates additional revenues for somebody, other than your(all your) phone providers, but just what is the purpose of all that "What will you bet, what do you think the dealer has and I saw tonight these are your cards, but only showed one.

I don't get the side show.

 

Last Nights Episode

Oh my goodness. I thought last night's episode was one of the best I have ever seen. Simply for the fact that Shannon was really a waste. She had no life in her, but her looks. She was so boring at times. At least the other ladies had something to say. She was a sitting log. Now, the big hand was that one Shannye did. Not staying on the 16 was one of the stupidist things he could've ever done. My wife and daughter was watching that hand with me. That would've sealed the deal. Let me tell you people something. If I ever see you guys do something like that and lose like that at a tournament, then I will pull you to the side and tell you that that is basic strategy. Hell. He had seven blackjacks all night. You want to play really great until you get to the second to last hand. That really disappointed me. Maybe his brain cells were waining because he looks to be older. I really don't think the first guy deserved the money anyway. The reason being? Well, the announcers clearly stated that he is a Casino owner. I don't care if he's generating only $5,000.00 per month in revenue. He's still in a business where many of us aren't blessed to own our own business. I loved the strategy too. Henry didn't stay on some of his hands. He and another player thought the dealer had blackjack. I wouldn't have ever guessed that because if they're playing with eight decks and Shannye had seven blackjacks, then they're are nine Aces left. Many of the other players had blackjacks as welll. I mean, the Aces were gone quickly. Therefore, the dealer doesn't have it. I'm telling you you guys, I think I would really do well in these tournaments becuase I predicted that the dealer would turn over a ten on that five during that second to last hand. I even thought the dealer would get a ten/jack/queen/king to make 25, a bust. Man, I'm in the wrong business of insurance. Well, tell me what do you guys think? I'm curious. Open up the dialogue and lets communicate with each other without hurting each other. God bless....

 

Bi Kemba:

Ya, 7 blackjacks and still don't win.

But as the commentator also stated, he was relying on a running chip count in his head and clearly got lost or miscounted at the end to which he and Mr. Casino, who have played each other often, both acknowledged.

Everyone, forever, here, the commentators and anything you read....CHIP COUNT. Probably the most important tool in the box, no matter how you employ it for yourself. And, I'm not there, but that is one thing, one can work, work, work, practice, practice, practice, practice anytime they choose.

And by the way. Marvin was a retired Casino Owner. Either took the money and ran or was induced to sell, probably to Harrah ha ha has.

 

You're Preaching to the Choir

LOL....You must be running into me on clububt.com Noman. I state that CHIP COUNT is really important whenever I'm in the sit-n-go tournaments on clububt.com. I am finally running into some people that agree that chip count is so overwhelmingly important in tournament play. I don't care what was in the guys head. Yes, I heard that from the commentators. The bottom line. He still lost on a stupid easy basic strategy move. I don't care if he did lose the count. I don't care if his count was ahead or behind. I don't care if hew was trying to play mind games with his opposition. He still made a stupid play that cost him $25,000.00. The only thing he can look forward to is next week when the wild card showdown goes down versus moving automatically to the semifinals. Once again, great point about chip count.

 

Seven 21's...

Actually Dannye only had 3 blackjack's, but counting those three he had 7 twenty-ones.

I'm not sure what happened on the last hand, but believe me it is easy to get the numbers messed up in your head. I've done it and I'll be willing to bet most everyone else has as well.

As it turned out the dealer would have drawn 21 on Dannye anyway, so it didn't matter.

I can tell you that Dannye, besides being one of the best players around is ALWAY nothing but a gentleman to everybody.

Besides winning his way on the WSOB at the Golden Moon casino in MS, Dannye has won two major events in the past few months in New Orleans and in Tunica.

I'd be willing to bet on Dannye in any blackjack tournaments out there. Dannye and Mr. O were by far the best two players at the table and I think Shannon was probably the 2nd best celebrity player behind Orel. She may have been quite, but that was because she was thinking. She just got very unlucky getting swung by the three players she needed to have the same results with.

Mr. O has been an excellent tournament players for years, and always helps other players with any questions they may have about tournament play.

 

Shannon

I think she tried hard to win. I bet she will make a real good BJT'er if she keeps playing. Maybe she can join team TBJPA.

 

If Shannon...

If she wants to continue, as it was mentioned on the show, being a co professional actress/card player she best learn to take a bad beat with a smile. If she doesnt she is toast!:joker:

 

WSOB-session8

I Have Been A Tournament Bj Player For Many Years-most Often In The Miss. Casinos. I Know Both Of The Finalist In Last Nights Game And I Can Attest To The Savy And Skills Of Both Gentleman.
Along With Ken Smith, These Two Gentlemen, Have Been Pioneers At Tournament Bj For The Southern Area Of The Us, And Have Won Numerous Tournaments Nationwide. One Instant Lapse Of Memory Does Not In Any Way Reduce The Skill Of Dannye .i, Also Am Offended By Member Stating That Ones Skills Must Be Less Because The Participant Is Older Than Many Others At The Table, I Am A Senior Citizen And I Feel Like I Can Compete In This Game As Well As Or Better Than Most People Younger Than Me.
I Was A Player Seated At The Final Table When Dannye Qualified For The Wsob At The Pearl River Resort. As Ken Mentioned In An Earlier Post, Dannye Was The Recipient Of Of An Opponents Miscount And Advanced To The Wsob. Mr O Was Also Seated At Thistable. In Defense Of The Two Finalist Of Session 8 , I Might Add That Their Opponents Were Stronger In The Qualification Than In The Wsob

 

sympathy

for Dannye - as a few posters on this site can attest - I surrendered to lock in third place at a two advance table at the TBJPA tourney in Laughlin in May - CHIP COUNTING MISTAKE - that Black Chip came out of nowhere - we have all done it -

I thought both Marvin and Dannye played very well - up until Dannye obviously blew off on the chip count - I very much liked many of Dannye's plays - very conservative hand playing strategy that worked very well -

as for Shannon - she can have a seat at my table any time - she can sit right next to Posh

She actually played ok - I thought - especially for someone who I think is fairly inexperienced at TBJ - she is known as a poker player - but we have all been swung on critical hands - a bad beat -

 

wtg

Congrats to Mr.O and Dannye on their first and second place finishes.

Anyone that has been involved in many live tournaments has seen plenty of great players make mistakes in the heat of battle.

Mr. O and Dannye are both pros.

I watched Dannye win Fitz's tournament last month in Tunica and was glad to see him win as he is one of the nicest guys in the bj tourney community.

I hope these two meet again; at the final table.


tgun

 

Marvin's best bet

Last hand.
Danny has 197,500 bet 10,000
Marvin has 228,750 bet ???

There was a chance that Danny could realize his mistake and try to save the situation.
Was the 5,000 the best bet for Marvin? Probably not.

Let's analize different situations. The difference is 31,250.

1. If Danny is going to win 2 bets, Marvin can lose up to 11,000.

2. If Danny is going to win 3 bets, Marvin cannot lose even a min. bet (he has to push or win - so he can bet anything ).

3. If Danny is going to win 4 bets, Marvin needs to win 9,000 or more.

4. If Danny is going to win 5 bets, Marvin needs to win 19,000 or more.

Now by betting anything between 19,000 and 22,000 - Marvin can SURRENDER if Danny has only 2 bets out, or play his hand accordingly.
He can even DD to cover Denny's 6 or 7 bet wins, but for 7 bet win he needs to win 39,000, so 19,000 is not the best option.

19,500 to 22,000

 

I like Mr. O's $5,000 bet

You have to draw the line somewhere, you can't cover every situation or you can leave yourself open by over thinking.

Mr. O's $5,000 bet allowed him a chance to DD, should Dannye catch a split with two DD himself.

I understand that a $10,000 bet would have been a little better bet (as to you #2 point), but his $5,000 minimum bet wasn't that bad.

 

Personal Insults....Dialog Request??

"Open up the dialog and lets communicate with each other without hurting each other. God bless...."-

You must be kidding Bi-Kemba!

Personal Insult Count:
1. Simply for the fact that Shannon was really a waste. She had no life in her, but her looks. She was so boring at times.
2. Now, the big hand was that one Shannye did. Not staying on the 16 was one of the stupidest things he could've ever done.
3. Maybe his brain cells were waining because he looks to be older.
4. I really don't think the first guy deserved the money anyway. The reason being? Well, the announcers clearly stated that he is a Casino owner. I don't care if he's generating only $5,000.00 per month in revenue. He's still in a business where many of us aren't blessed to own our own business.

You have no clue Sir regarding decent sportsmanship. These players are under the microscope, nervous, and cranking out enough adrenaline to blurr and fog the most simple calculation. Not one player sitting at a table in a B-Jack tourn. is immune to being human and making even the simplest of mistakes. I know ..... I lost to Shannye on the last hand of the qualifier for this event. I miscounted his checks and he was sitting next to me! My vision blurred several times and I locked on to a statement made by someone in the crowd behind us and I allowed anger to complicate things even more. I have learned a lot from this lesson about myself and others. I try to play the best game I can, SHAKE HANDS! and move on.

I don't suggest you ever 'pull me aside' and explain anything to me should I make another mistake and this is why: You are bringing ego to the argument instead of contemplative, positive, and constructive strategy! Should you ever join this group of people playing these tournaments you will find we spend more time lifting each other up than knocking each other down!

Show your fellow player respect and have respect for the game!

Jim

P.S. These insulted players already know that guessing hole card scenarios take a back seat to money management and making the correct bet in a BJack tournament. Gift to you!

 

"No stones thrown from this glass house"...

"Very well said my friend"...It's not necessary to explain your "faux-paus"...Been there, done that & will do it again...The past tourny accomplishments of yourself, Mr. O, & Dannye speak volumes.

 

I would have loved...

to see Mr "O" against Ken Einiger, isnt Mr O the one always competing with Ken E? It would kind of be like seeing Hollywood freeeee loaded to a final table with FGK.

 

Great Comment

Jim P, thank you so much for your commentary on this matter. If you respond to my comments, it means it probably, and I mean probably, sparked a nerve. That means people are listening to me. If you have read many of my other post, I will say it again. I have the right to speak my mind. I really value your opinion because it wakes me up to the fact that we all have different opinions. I love it. Keep up the dialogue. I do have respect for the game Jim P. However, many of these players are more than likely the most genuine people off camera and on camera. I went by what I witnessed on camera. Great post.