acercher
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This is a follow-up on the question I recently posted about strategic insights that are not addressed in Wong's book (which generated some very interesting responses).
I play in a weekly hybrid tournament where all of the accumulated buy-ins are split in the final round: 50% to first, 30% to second, and 20% to third. I'd estimate that the amount paid for third place is usually about 3-4 times the amount I've spent on the buy-ins to make it to the final table. When betting the last hand, my personal orientation has been to always shoot for first place (unless that would require doubling on 18 or something similarly speculative), but I've noticed that a number of other regulars will opt for locking in second or third place rather than betting aggressively and risk finishing out of the money.
Until now, I've simply chalked up the different playing styles to different risk/reward preferences. But I now suspect that the allocation of the pot should generate some mathematical guidelines that supersede personal psychology. As usual, I lack any mathematical facility to determine if that hunch is correct. But here's my rudimentary thought: Assume it is the last hand, and regardless of your betting position you have a very good chance of locking third with a conservative bet, and a decent chance of taking first with an aggressive bet. Since first place pays two and a half times more than third place, it seems like the decision to try for first should depend on whether you have at least a 40% chance of winning with an aggressive bet. Coincidentally (I think), that approximates the 44% chance of beating the dealer using basic strategy, and is even closer to 40% if you're playing a "push is as bad as a loss" strategy.
First hypothesis: If you are reasonably certain you can take first place by making a large bet using "normal" strategy, do so, even if losing the bet means that you finish out of the money. This should be true even if you don't have a lock on first, eg., if an opponent gets a natural or a lucky double, since you may still capture second place. In other words, the payoff odds should make someone inclined to be conservative be more aggressive.
Conversely, counting on my fingers, anytime you have to double a hard 16 or higher, you have at least a 60% chance of busting, not counting that the dealer can still beat you if you don't bust. Doubling a hard 12, however, you have almost a 70% chance of not busting, although the dealer can still beat you. I don't have the math skills to figure out what hard total, when doubled, will give you a 40% chance of beating the dealer, but I suspect it's around 13 or 14.
Second hypothesis: If you are reasonably certain that you can take first place only by doubling down, but you're pretty sure you can lock third with a conservative bet, only bet aggressively if you hold a hard 13(?) or less. In other words, the payoff odds should make someone inclined to be aggressive be more conservative.
OK, that's very long-winded and I may be completely off-base on the specific examples I offered. Nevertheless, I think my intuition that you should play one way if the pot split is 50/30/20, and adjust your strategy if the allocation is different or if the pot is split two ways or five ways, makes some sense. What do you think?
Best regards--Acercher
I play in a weekly hybrid tournament where all of the accumulated buy-ins are split in the final round: 50% to first, 30% to second, and 20% to third. I'd estimate that the amount paid for third place is usually about 3-4 times the amount I've spent on the buy-ins to make it to the final table. When betting the last hand, my personal orientation has been to always shoot for first place (unless that would require doubling on 18 or something similarly speculative), but I've noticed that a number of other regulars will opt for locking in second or third place rather than betting aggressively and risk finishing out of the money.
Until now, I've simply chalked up the different playing styles to different risk/reward preferences. But I now suspect that the allocation of the pot should generate some mathematical guidelines that supersede personal psychology. As usual, I lack any mathematical facility to determine if that hunch is correct. But here's my rudimentary thought: Assume it is the last hand, and regardless of your betting position you have a very good chance of locking third with a conservative bet, and a decent chance of taking first with an aggressive bet. Since first place pays two and a half times more than third place, it seems like the decision to try for first should depend on whether you have at least a 40% chance of winning with an aggressive bet. Coincidentally (I think), that approximates the 44% chance of beating the dealer using basic strategy, and is even closer to 40% if you're playing a "push is as bad as a loss" strategy.
First hypothesis: If you are reasonably certain you can take first place by making a large bet using "normal" strategy, do so, even if losing the bet means that you finish out of the money. This should be true even if you don't have a lock on first, eg., if an opponent gets a natural or a lucky double, since you may still capture second place. In other words, the payoff odds should make someone inclined to be conservative be more aggressive.
Conversely, counting on my fingers, anytime you have to double a hard 16 or higher, you have at least a 60% chance of busting, not counting that the dealer can still beat you if you don't bust. Doubling a hard 12, however, you have almost a 70% chance of not busting, although the dealer can still beat you. I don't have the math skills to figure out what hard total, when doubled, will give you a 40% chance of beating the dealer, but I suspect it's around 13 or 14.
Second hypothesis: If you are reasonably certain that you can take first place only by doubling down, but you're pretty sure you can lock third with a conservative bet, only bet aggressively if you hold a hard 13(?) or less. In other words, the payoff odds should make someone inclined to be aggressive be more conservative.
OK, that's very long-winded and I may be completely off-base on the specific examples I offered. Nevertheless, I think my intuition that you should play one way if the pot split is 50/30/20, and adjust your strategy if the allocation is different or if the pot is split two ways or five ways, makes some sense. What do you think?
Best regards--Acercher