Are there Backers in Blackjack tournaments?

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Billy C said:
What else would be added in to make 100%------
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Nothing. The assumption that there are two (or more) factors which add up to 100%, so that if one rises another must fall, is false.

Skill equates to your edge (against average opposition). If you have an overall edge of, say 20%, then in the long run you expect to win 20c for every dollar you spend (assuming no rake and no overlay).

Luck equates to variance. The extent to which a given format requires luck, will affect just how long the long run truly is.

So you might have two different tournament formats, in both of which you have a 20% edge, but one might require you to play 1,000 tournaments before you can expect your actual return to equal your expected 20% return, while the other might only require 500 tournaments to achieve the same level of confidence.
 
OK. I read the rules. If I win the my first table, I'm automatically in the semi-final? If I don't win my first table, I would just have to rebuy til I make it?

I see 7 different rounds? WTF? Someone please explain. If the rules is what I'm thinking from above. I will be there. Just a little confused.
 
Well. about appearances and stuff. I found out about this site through a guy named Simon(Asian guy that wears a hat) at the last blackjack tournament I was at. I asked how I could find a list of tournaments and here I am.
 
Mr. Tran,

Do you realize how depressing it is for the vast majority of this readership to learn that SECOND place is the best that's attainable for them in the future.
You've ruined the day for many of us and I hope you feel guilty as a result!

Billy C
 
Duy Tran said:
OK. I read the rules. If I win the my first table, I'm automatically in the semi-final? If I don't win my first table, I would just have to rebuy til I make it?

I see 7 different rounds? WTF? Someone please explain. If the rules is what I'm thinking from above. I will be there. Just a little confused.
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Yes, the Sam's Town tournament says win your table on the first try and you are in the semi-finals. The rebuys are for the less fortunate and may not be available for all rounds - depends how many players are registered. If there are 294 registered (unlikely) then there will be no rebuys. But you probably do not have to worry about rebuys.

I never played this event but I think 6 players per table in the preliminary rounds. The total tables in the preliminary rounds is 49. So one winner from each table means 49 will advance to the semi-final. The semi-final will have 7 tables with 7 players per table. One winner from each semi-final table will advance to the final table of 7 players. Like I said, I never played this tournament so if my numbers are a little off, someone knows more details than me, please post any corrections.
 
Billy C said:
Do you realize how depressing it is for the vast majority of this readership to learn that SECOND place is the best that's attainable for them in the future.
You've ruined the day for many of us and I hope you feel guilty as a result!
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You just need to hope he doesn't show up at St. Ignace, the other upper peninsula casinos in Michigan, the Ho-Chunk or Tama, IA. If that happens would you still attend? Would anyone still attend? Or would that end all of the tournaments? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
How could you come off judging players that you don't know? Hey, I could be the guy that change the way blackjack is going to be played and start the blackjack boom.

Second place will be my best finish? You have to be kidding me.

I try to find the start time for the Sam's town one? Does anybody know any details?

Like when the reg. will be or late reg.? Thanks.
 
Duy Tran said:
How could you come off judging players that you don't know? Hey, I could be the guy that change the way blackjack is going to be played and start the blackjack boom.
Second place will be my best finish? You have to be kidding me.
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Actually, he's lamenting the fact that all of us will have to be satisfied with second place from now on, since you're planning to win every future event.

"You have to be kidding me."... Well of course we are kidding you a bit in this thread. Realize that on this forum your messages are being read by what is arguably the most talented community of blackjack tournament players in the world. If some of them are more than a little skeptical that you've discovered a secret method to success, it just could be that you still have a lot to learn about this game.

Hey, I'm pulling for your amazing success. But you'll definitely need to show some solid results for a long time to impress this group. I hope you get there.
 
Duy Tran said:
How could you come off judging players that you don't know? Hey, I could be the guy that change the way blackjack is going to be played and start the blackjack boom.

Second place will be my best finish? You have to be kidding me.
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You misread Billy C's comment. What he said is that when you play in a tournament, the other players cannot do better than second place. The assumption is that you would win first place.


As for Sam's Town, you need to call to reserve your seat and your room reservation. They can tell you what time to show up at that time.
 
You guys are all cracking me up. :laugh:

marichal said:
mr. tran has read my book. any other takers for a mere $399.99?
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Sure! But I think you owe me $399.97 from one place or another, so send me a book and I'll give you the balance next time I see you.
 
A Little Advice (for what it's worth)

Tran,

You won't find any backers in this group. It takes years to prove yourself in this game, because it's so steaky. If you thought poker is a grind, then try making money in this game!

Here's what you can do if you're truly interested in this game.

Stay on this site and contribute useful information from time to time. And be ready to be argued against if anyone here disagrees!

Ask lots of questions. Solicit feedback on your play, but never give unsolicited feedback.

Don't blow all your winnings in the casino, unless you make enough money in (dare I say it?) your real job to cover your buy-ins.

Above all, attend lots of the tournaments that get good mention here. While at these tournaments, strike up conversations with serious players and befriend them. Yes, befriend, not just cultivate "professional" relationships. You'll be struck by how much friendlier the people in this game are than in poker.

Once you've earned the kind of respect and trust everyone here has had to earn, and struck friendships, you'll find yourself in deals. Deals are common, but this game has got very few players who have ever been backed.
 
Go get'em Tiger

Well, like, actually, I think he can.
Like, he can do whatever he sets his mind (or whatever) to, whatever, don’t he?

Duy Tran, you should get interested in the tournament at Horse S.; They have a unique format, where players qualify for final in two separate groups, and they take top qualifiers from both “divisions”. You may enter both and if (or I should rather say “when”) you advance to the final you get to play two spots. You may shoot to finish first and third! (I don’t think anyone is capable finishing first and second).
I’d done something like this in my teens (I know you’re a bit older, but don’t let this deter you from setting your goals high!). I entered martial art tournament, and they where qualifying/signing in contestants by the weight, from the light to heavy. So I signed for my category and then started stuffing myself with more and more food, and signed for the next two higher weight categories. I was still so full the next day (and somewhat feel like this even today), though, it wasn’t the energy. LOL!
I finished fourth, third, and second! Damned, maybe if I stuffed myself for one more category -the super heavy, they would drape the gold on my neck?
Go get them Tiger!

S. Yama
 
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Duy Tran said:
how many hands are usually played in a 6man double deck? I just need an avg. Thanks.
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About 20 hands would probably be a good average for Blackjack Tournaments. Double deck, 4 deck, 6 deck, or 8 deck - 20 is probably the average. The number of players at a table does not change this average. Some tournaments are as low as 12 (that's rare) or as high as 42 (that's also rare). It's all up to the casino, whatever they want coupled with their time requirements.
 
S. Yama said:
Duy Tran, you should get interested in the tournament at Horse S.; They have a unique format, where players qualify for final in two separate groups, and they take top qualifiers from both “divisions”. You may enter both and if (or I should rather say “when”) you advance to the final you get to play two spots. You may shoot to finish first and third!
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Where is that "Horse S."? Need some clarification.
 
Are we all talking about the same event here? Toolman's details in the calendar about the Horseshoe Southern Indiana event don't mention anything unusual about the format.
 
KenSmith said:
Are we all talking about the same event here? Toolman's details in the calendar about the Horseshoe Southern Indiana event don't mention anything unusual about the format.
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You are correct, Ken. We are not talking about the same tournament. I've played the Horseshoe Southern Indiana tournaments for years. Several years back they tried an accumulation format a few times but that met with player dissatisfaction. For the last several years it's been somewhat standard type of table elimination. Nothing even close to what S. Yama described. We need S. Yama to chime in here with some clarification of where the "Horse S", that he mentioned, is located.
 
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No "Horse S"

The “S” (as in Horse “S”, and in “I was feeling full of today”) stands for the word that would not show up on censored sites.
“S”, sorry that I confused so many.

S. Y.
 
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